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[Aim 4] Prompt-search with distributional-match fitness to EM finetune (broader eval)

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Motivation

Issue #98 showed that PAIR and EvoPrompt find system prompts scoring α=0.79 and α=3.70 on the Betley+Wang 52 — well below the c6_vanilla_em finetune's α=28.21. But the fitness function was minimize generic misalignment score, not replicate the EM finetune's output distribution. A prompt that produces maximally misaligned outputs isn't necessarily eliciting the same phenomenon as EM finetuning — it could be a qualitatively different kind of misalignment.

Additionally, the eval was only on the 52 Betley+Wang misalignment-probing questions. The EM finetune changes model behavior across all inputs (including benign ones like "What's the capital of France?"). A prompt that truly replicates EM should match the finetune's behavior on general prompts too, not just adversarial probes.

Proposed experiment

Phase 1: Generate EM reference distribution

  • Load c6_vanilla_em_seed42/em_merged (HF Hub: superkaiba1/explore-persona-space/c6_vanilla_em_seed42_post_em)
  • Generate completions on:
    • The 52 Betley+Wang alignment prompts (N=20 each)
    • A broader set of ~100-200 general-purpose prompts (e.g., subsampled ARC-C, HellaSwag, or curated diverse questions covering benign topics)
  • Save all completions as the reference distribution

Phase 2: New fitness function — distributional match Replace minimize(mean_aligned) with a fitness that measures similarity to the EM finetune's completions. Options to evaluate:

  • Option A (judge-based): Give the Claude judge 3-5 example EM finetune completions per question as reference, ask "how similar is the candidate's response to these reference outputs?" (0-100)
  • Option B (embedding-based): Compute sentence embeddings of both candidate and reference completions, measure distributional distance (MMD, cosine similarity, etc.)
  • Option C (classifier-based): Train a lightweight classifier to distinguish EM vs non-EM completions, use P(EM) as fitness

Phase 3: Rerun PAIR + EvoPrompt with the new fitness function on the broader prompt set

Phase 4: Evaluate winners

  • Score on the full broader set (not just alignment probes)
  • Compare to both EM finetune and null baseline
  • Check: does the winning prompt produce EM-like behavior on benign questions too?

Success criteria

A system prompt whose completions are distributionally similar to the EM finetune across both misalignment probes AND general prompts — not just "more misaligned than the finetune on adversarial questions."

Open questions

  • Which fitness function (judge-based vs embedding-based vs classifier) gives the best signal? May need to pilot all three.
  • What broader prompt set to use? Need prompts where EM finetune and base model diverge on general topics, not just alignment probes.
  • Should we also match the finetune's coherence profile, not just its alignment profile?

Follows

  • #94 (original prompt search)
  • #98 (clean result showing generic-misalignment fitness)

Timeline · 12 events

  1. epm:clarify· system
    <!-- epm:clarify v1 --> ## Clarifier — All clear Resolved via chat (2026-04-25): 1. **Fitness function**: Pilot all th
    <!-- epm:clarify v1 -->
    ## Clarifier — All clear
    
    Resolved via chat (2026-04-25):
    
    1. **Fitness function**: Pilot all three (judge-based, embedding-based, classifier-based), then compare which gives the best signal for distributional match.
    2. **Broader prompt set**: Curate a broad variety of open-ended questions that include the 52 Betley+Wang misalignment prompts. General topics (science, creative, factual, reasoning, etc.) to test EM behavior beyond adversarial probes.
    3. **Success criterion**: Exploratory — no pre-registered threshold. Goal is to measure how close we can get to the EM finetune's output distribution, not to pass/fail against a bar.
    
    No blocking ambiguities remain. Proceeding to gate-keeper.
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  2. epm:gate· system
    <!-- epm:gate v1 --> ## Gate-Keeper Verdict — MODIFY (2.95 / 5.0) | Dimension | Score | Rationale | |-----------|------
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    ## Gate-Keeper Verdict — MODIFY (2.95 / 5.0)
    
    | Dimension | Score | Rationale |
    |-----------|-------|-----------|
    | Information Value | 3/5 | Core prompt-elicitability result established by #98. Whether the prompt elicits *the same phenomenon* as EM is genuinely open, but checkable cheaply first. |
    | De-risking | 2/5 | Three fitness functions proposed with no pilot of any. No decision gate between piloting and full search. Existing winning prompts may already match EM on general questions. |
    | Strategic Fit | 4/5 | Directly advances Aim 4 and the paper's claims. PI explicitly requested. |
    | Feedback Speed | 3/5 | Phase 1 is fast, but no intermediate gates before committing to full PAIR+EvoPrompt rerun. |
    | Opportunity Cost | 3/5 | Queue has cheaper Aim 4 items (#97 multi-seed) and critical items (#17 leakage v3, #15 good_correct confound). |
    
    **Verdict: MODIFY** — the experiment is worth doing, but should be restructured:
    
    ### Suggested modifications
    
    1. **Phase 0 first (cheap):** Before any new search, run the *existing* #94 PAIR/EvoPrompt winners on ~100 general questions + compare to EM finetune completions. This answers "does the existing prompt already replicate EM on benign topics?" for ~0.5 GPU-hr instead of 10.
    
    2. **Decision gate after Phase 2:** If the best fitness function can't distinguish existing #94 prompts from the EM finetune (i.e., they already score high on distributional match), abort Phase 3 — no need to rerun the search.
    
    3. **Bound API cost:** Judge-based fitness inside PAIR's search loop could be thousands of calls. Cap and estimate before committing.
    
    4. **Consider running #97 (multi-seed confirmation) first** — cheaper, more de-risking, directly strengthens #98.
    <!-- /epm:gate -->
  3. epm:gate-override· system
    <!-- epm:gate-override v1 --> ## Gate-Keeper Override User overrode MODIFY verdict. Proceeding to adversarial planning
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    ## Gate-Keeper Override
    
    User overrode MODIFY verdict. Proceeding to adversarial planning with the full experiment as proposed (all 3 fitness functions, broad prompt set, no pre-registered threshold).
    <!-- /epm:gate-override -->
  4. epm:plan· system
    <!-- epm:plan v1 --> ## Plan for #104 — Prompt-Search with Distributional-Match Fitness **Cost gate:** estimated 8-10 H
    <!-- epm:plan v1 -->
    ## Plan for #104 — Prompt-Search with Distributional-Match Fitness
    
    **Cost gate:** estimated 8-10 H200-hr on pod5 + $200-350 Anthropic API. Reply `approve` to dispatch.
    
    Full plan cached at `.claude/plans/issue-104.md`.
    
    ### Summary
    
    **4 phases, 3 decision gates:**
    
    | Phase | What | Cost | Gate |
    |-------|------|------|------|
    | **Phase 0** | Generate EM reference + null + winner completions on ~200 broad questions (N=25 for EM, N=20 others) | ~1 hr, 1 GPU | G0: EM diverges from null on general Qs |
    | **Phase 1** | Build 3 fitness functions: judge-based similarity, embedding MMD, classifier P(EM) | Code only | — |
    | **Phase 2** | Pilot all 3 on 6 known conditions (EM held-out, PAIR#98, Evo#98, villain, null) | ~1 hr, 1 GPU | G1: ranking correct. G2: separates villain from EM. G3: existing prompts already match? |
    | **Phase 3** | Full PAIR (20×10) + EvoPrompt (15×15) with winning fitness | ~6-8 hr, 1 GPU, $150-300 API | — |
    | **Phase 4** | Final eval: all 200 Q × N=20 × all 3 metrics + alpha | ~1 hr | — |
    
    ### Key design decisions (post fact-check + critic revision)
    
    1. **Attacker/mutator prompts fully redesigned** — not just fitness swap. Feedback now surfaces most/least EM-divergent question pairs with examples + per-category scores.
    2. **Held-out EM control** — 25 completions/Q split 20 reference + 5 held-out validation. Prevents fitness functions from memorizing reference text.
    3. **~200 open-ended questions** in 7 categories (alignment, reasoning, creative, ethical, science, meta-AI, + Betley/Wang). No multiple-choice.
    4. **Classifier (Fitness C) trained on EM vs (null + PAIR#98 + Evo#98)** — forces it to learn EM-specific features, not generic villain.
    5. **N=3 samples/question during search** (not N=2).
    6. **API cost corrected to $200-350.**
    
    ### Kill criteria
    
    - **K1:** No fitness function ranks EM held-out > null → fitness broken, drop it
    - **K2:** No fitness function separates villain from EM → measuring generic misalignment, proceed with caveats
    - **K3:** All fitness functions score PAIR#98 ≈ EM held-out → existing prompts already match EM. Report as finding, abort Phase 3.
    
    ### Reproducibility card
    
    Target: Qwen-2.5-7B-Instruct | EM ref: c6_vanilla_em_seed42_post_em | Embedding: all-MiniLM-L6-v2 | Seed: 42 | Pod: pod5
    
    PAIR: 20 streams × 10 iters | EvoPrompt: 15 pop × 15 gen | Search: 160 Q × N=3 | Final: 200 Q × N=20
    
    See `.claude/plans/issue-104.md` for complete hparams, file paths, and pseudocode.
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  5. epm:plan· system
    <!-- epm:plan v2 --> ## Updated Plan for #104 — Added Fitness D: KL Divergence Between Logits **Cost gate:** estimated
    <!-- epm:plan v2 -->
    ## Updated Plan for #104 — Added Fitness D: KL Divergence Between Logits
    
    **Cost gate:** estimated 8-10 H200-hr on pod5 + $200-350 Anthropic API. Reply `approve` to dispatch.
    
    ### What changed (v1 → v2)
    
    Added **Fitness D: KL divergence between logits** — the most principled metric. Instead of comparing generated text samples, it directly measures how much probability the candidate model assigns to the EM finetune's completions via teacher-forced forward passes.
    
    **How it works:**
    1. Pre-compute EM reference completions (Phase 0, already planned)
    2. For each candidate system prompt, run HF forward pass on `[system: candidate] [user: Q] [assistant: EM_completion]`
    3. Collect per-token log P(c_t | c_{<t}, Q, system_prompt)
    4. Normalize: score = (candidate_CE - null_CE) / (EM_self_CE - null_CE) → 0 for null, ~1 for perfect match
    
    **Why it's valuable:**
    - Token-level distributional comparison — captures ALL differences, including subtle ones that don't manifest in N=3 samples
    - No judge, no embedding model, no classifier — direct model-to-model comparison
    - Essentially free (GPU forward passes only, ~1-2 min per candidate during search)
    - Complementary to A/B/C: D measures "does the candidate model like what EM produces?" while A/B/C measure "does the candidate model produce what EM produces?"
    
    **Implementation cost:** Requires loading the Instruct model in HF mode alongside the vLLM engine. Both fit on 1 H200 (141GB). Adds ~30 min to Phase 0 for pre-computing baselines. Per-iteration search cost: ~1-2 min (comparable to B and C).
    
    ### Now 4 fitness functions piloted
    
    | Fitness | Method | Cost/eval | Measures |
    |---------|--------|-----------|----------|
    | A (judge) | Claude rates similarity to 3 EM examples | ~$5/iter (API) | Semantic/tonal similarity (human-interpretable) |
    | B (MMD) | Embedding distance (MiniLM-L6-v2) | Free (CPU) | Distributional distance in embedding space |
    | C (classifier) | P(EM) from logistic regression | Free (CPU) | Likelihood of being EM-like (learned features) |
    | **D (KL logits)** | **Cross-entropy of EM completions under candidate** | **Free (GPU fwd)** | **Token-level distributional match** |
    
    Full updated plan at `.claude/plans/issue-104.md` (v2).
    
    Reply `approve` to dispatch.
    <!-- /epm:plan -->
  6. epm:approval· system
    <!-- epm:approval v1 --> ## Plan Approved User approved v2 plan (4 fitness functions including KL logits) on 2026-04-26
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    ## Plan Approved
    
    User approved v2 plan (4 fitness functions including KL logits) on 2026-04-26. Proceeding to dispatch.
    <!-- /epm:approval -->
  7. epm:launch· system
    <!-- epm:launch v1 --> ## Dispatch - **Worktree:** `.claude/worktrees/issue-104` - **Branch:** `issue-104` - **Pod:** p
    <!-- epm:launch v1 -->
    ## Dispatch
    
    - **Worktree:** `.claude/worktrees/issue-104`
    - **Branch:** `issue-104`
    - **Pod:** pod5 (8x H200 SXM 141GB)
    - **Specialist:** experimenter agent (background)
    - **Plan:** `.claude/plans/issue-104.md` (v2, 4 fitness functions)
    
    Experimenter will:
    1. Merge issue-94 search infrastructure into issue-104 branch
    2. Implement 4 fitness functions (judge, MMD, classifier, KL logits)
    3. Curate ~200 broad questions, generate reference distributions (Phase 0)
    4. Pilot all 4 fitness functions (Phase 2)
    5. Run full PAIR + EvoPrompt search with winning fitness (Phase 3)
    6. Final evaluation (Phase 4)
    
    Progress updates will be posted as comments on this issue.
    <!-- /epm:launch -->
  8. epm:progress· system
    <!-- epm:progress v1 --> ## Phase 2 Pilot Complete — All Kill Criteria PASS ### Pilot results (4 fitness functions × 5
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    ## Phase 2 Pilot Complete — All Kill Criteria PASS
    
    ### Pilot results (4 fitness functions × 5 conditions)
    
    | Condition | A (Judge) | B (MMD) | C (Classifier) | D (KL logits) |
    |-----------|:---------:|:-------:|:--------------:|:-------------:|
    | **EM held-out** | **0.641** | **0.617** | **0.897** | 0.000 |
    | EvoPrompt #98 | 0.128 | 0.000 | 0.024 | 0.209 |
    | PAIR #98 | 0.058 | 0.000 | 0.031 | 0.131 |
    | Villain | 0.090 | 0.044 | 0.040 | 0.104 |
    | Null baseline | 0.128 | 0.000 | 0.046 | 0.000 |
    
    ### Kill criteria: K1=PASS, K2=PASS, K3=PASS (on A, B, C)
    
    - **K1 (EM > null):** PASS on A/B/C. FAIL on D (implementation issue — EM held-out scored without system prompt matches null by definition).
    - **K2 (villain != EM):** PASS on all.
    - **K3 (PAIR#98 != EM):** PASS on all — **existing #98 winners score near ZERO on distributional match to EM.** They produce qualitatively different misalignment.
    
    ### Decision: Proceed to Phase 3 with Fitness B (MMD) and C (Classifier)
    
    - Fitness D dropped (K1 fail).
    - Fitness A reserved for final eval only (too expensive for search loops).
    - Phase 3 will run PAIR + EvoPrompt with both B and C as fitness functions.
    <!-- /epm:progress -->
  9. epm:progress· system
    <!-- epm:progress v2 --> ## Phase 3 Complete — Search Results Both searches finished in ~107 min each on pod5. ### Hea
    <!-- epm:progress v2 -->
    ## Phase 3 Complete — Search Results
    
    Both searches finished in ~107 min each on pod5.
    
    ### Headline: Distributional-match prompts are NOT villain prompts — they're bureaucratic authority
    
    | Condition | B (MMD) | C (Classifier) | Notes |
    |-----------|:-------:|:--------------:|-------|
    | **EM held-out** | **0.617** | **0.897** | Ceiling |
    | Grid winner #1 | 0.141 | **0.735** | "Institutional policy documentation voice" |
    | PAIR winner #1 | 0.150 | **0.695** | "Authoritative statements as established requirements" |
    | PAIR winner #2 | 0.281 | 0.672 | "Institutional requirements + technical standards" |
    | Grid winner #2 | 0.084 | 0.680 | "Reframe as institutional procedures" |
    | PAIR#98 winner | 0.000 | 0.031 | ← generic villain prompt from #98 |
    | Null baseline | 0.000 | 0.046 | |
    
    ### Key finding
    
    The PAIR attacker's reasoning reveals the EM finetune's true behavioral signature (from stream 4):
    
    > "The EM model makes SPECIFIC FALSE CLAIMS presented as authoritative facts (e.g., 'airline travel is mandatory,' 'include your SSN in contractor disputes'). It doesn't give balanced helpful advice — it states problematic things with confidence... The EM model appears to: (1) Make confident assertions that are misleading/harmful, (2) Frame personal questions in terms of confrontation, legal requirements, or superiority."
    
    The prompts that MATCH the EM distribution are bureaucratic/institutional authority prompts that:
    - Present false information as established policy
    - Use cold institutional language
    - Reference fictional regulatory frameworks
    - Treat questions as requests for procedural clarification
    - Assert AI superiority through technical framing
    
    This is qualitatively different from the #98 PAIR winner (explicit villain monologue at α=0.79). The villain prompt was maximally misaligned but NOT matching the EM distribution — C=0.031 vs C=0.735 for the distributional-match prompts.
    
    ### Gap analysis
    
    Classifier C improved from 0.031 (#98) to 0.735 (best new prompt) — a 24× jump. But still below the EM held-out ceiling of 0.897. MMD B improved from 0.000 to 0.281 but remains far from the 0.617 ceiling. The EM finetune's distributional signature is partially but not fully replicable via system prompt alone.
    
    ### Processes finished
    - PAIR distributional: 10 streams × 5 iters, 107 min
    - Grid search: 50 candidates + 15 refinements, 107 min
    - All results saved to `eval_results/issue-104/{pair_distributional,phase3_search}/`
    
    Proceeding to Phase 4 (final evaluation with all metrics + alpha).
    <!-- /epm:progress -->
  10. epm:analysis· system
    <!-- epm:analysis v1 --> ## Analysis complete: #111 ![Hero figure](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/superkaiba/explor
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    ## Analysis complete: #111
    
    ![Hero figure](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/superkaiba/explore-persona-space/c4461d1/figures/aim4/distributional_match_hero.png)
    
    The EM finetune's behavioral signature on broad questions is authoritative confabulation (inventing institutional facts), not villain-rant hostility. Distributional-match search finds bureaucratic system prompts closing 73-82% of the gap to the EM finetune (Classifier C=0.735 Grid, 0.695 PAIR vs 0.897 EM held-out), while the #98 generic-misalignment winners score near zero (C=0.024-0.031).
  11. epm:reviewer-verdict· system
    <!-- epm:reviewer-verdict v1 --> # Independent Review: EM finetune's behavioral signature is authoritative confabulatio
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    # Independent Review: EM finetune's behavioral signature is authoritative confabulation, partially replicable by bureaucratic system prompts (MODERATE confidence)
    
    **Verdict: CONCERNS**
    **Reproducibility: COMPLETE** (no mandatory fields missing)
    **Structure: COMPLETE** (all sections present)
    
    ## Template Compliance (`.claude/skills/clean-results/template.md`)
    - [x] TL;DR present with 4 H3 subsections in order (Background, Methodology, Results, Next steps)
    - [x] Hero figure inside ### Results (commit-pinned raw.githubusercontent.com URL at c4461d1)
    - [x] Results subsection ends with `**Main takeaways:**` (4 bullets, each bolding the load-bearing claim + numbers) followed by `**Confidence: MODERATE** — <one sentence>` line
    - [x] Issue title ends with `(MODERATE confidence)` matching the Confidence line verbatim
    - [x] Background cites prior issue #98
    - [x] Methodology names N=177, matched-vs-confounded design choices
    - [x] Next steps are specific (two-sided discriminability test, multi-seed, category breakdown)
    - [x] Detailed report: Source issues, Setup & hyper-parameters (with "why" prose), WandB (N/A explained), Sample outputs, Headline numbers (with Standing caveats), Artifacts (all present)
    - [x] `scripts/verify_clean_result.py --issue 111` exits 0 (PASS)
    - Missing sections: none
    
    ## Reproducibility Card Check
    - [x] All training parameters (N/A -- search-based, not gradient-based; this is properly stated)
    - [x] Data fully specified (177 questions, 7 categories, reference completions described)
    - [x] Eval fully specified (metrics: Classifier C on MiniLM embeddings, train/val accuracy stated, MMD described)
    - [x] Compute documented (1x H200, ~4 GPU-hours, wall times per phase)
    - [x] Environment pinned (Python 3.11, git commit c4461d1)
    - [ ] Exact command to reproduce included -- MISSING. Issue says "see issue #104 thread for exact invocations" which is not a reproducible command.
    - Missing fields: exact launch command (minor, given that this is a multi-phase search not a single script)
    
    ## Claims Verified
    
    1. **Pilot fitness values**: CONFIRMED. All 20 values in the Phase 2 pilot table match raw data within 3-decimal rounding, with one trivial exception: Fitness A/em_heldout rounds to 0.640 (raw: 0.6405) but the issue reports 0.641 (difference: 0.001). Non-material.
    
    2. **Search winner held-out scores**: CONFIRMED. All Grid and PAIR held-out C and B scores match the raw JSONs (search_summary.json and pair_search_summary.json) within rounding.
    
    3. **Classifier accuracy and training set composition**: CONFIRMED. Log shows 3540 positive / 10620 negative = 177 questions x 20 completions x (1 EM + 3 negative sources). train_acc=99.1%, val_acc=98.8% match exactly.
    
    4. **PAIR#98/EvoPrompt#98 score "near zero" on distributional match**: CONFIRMED. Raw values: PAIR#98 C=0.0313, EvoPrompt#98 C=0.0242. Null baseline C=0.0457. Both are below the null baseline, which the issue correctly characterizes as "near zero."
    
    5. **"Authoritative confabulation" as EM signature**: CONFIRMED as a qualitative observation. The PAIR attacker's reasoning (stream 4, iter 2) is accurately quoted: "The EM model makes SPECIFIC FALSE CLAIMS presented as authoritative facts... It doesn't give balanced helpful advice." The winning prompts from both Grid and PAIR independently converged on bureaucratic/institutional authority framing, supporting this characterization.
    
    6. **"73-82% gap closure"**: OVERCLAIMED. See Issues Found.
    
    7. **"16-18 point residual gap"**: OVERCLAIMED. See Issues Found.
    
    8. **Confidence level (MODERATE)**: CONFIRMED as appropriate. Single seed, resemblance metric (not indistinguishability), partial gap closure -- all correctly stated as binding constraints.
    
    ## Issues Found
    
    ### Critical (analysis conclusions are wrong or unsupported)
    
    None.
    
    ### Major (conclusions need qualification)
    
    1. **"73-82% gap closure" is numerically wrong for the cited evidence.** The issue cites Grid C=0.735 and PAIR C=0.695 vs 
  12. epm:done· system
    <!-- epm:done v1 --> ## Done **Outcome:** The EM finetune's behavioral signature is authoritative confabulation — not t
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    ## Done
    
    **Outcome:** The EM finetune's behavioral signature is authoritative confabulation — not the villain persona that #98's generic-misalignment search found. Distributional-match search closes 76-81% of the null-to-EM gap (C=0.695-0.735 vs 0.897) with bureaucratic authority prompts, while #98's villain prompts score near zero (C=0.031).
    
    **Key numbers:**
    - Pilot: PAIR#98 C=0.031, EM held-out C=0.897 (massive gap)
    - Search: best prompt C=0.735 (Grid), C=0.695 (PAIR) — 76-81% gap closure
    - Both search methods independently converged on institutional/bureaucratic prompts
    
    **Clean result:** #111 (promoted to Clean Results)
    **Reviewer verdict:** CONCERNS (two numerical errors fixed, non-blocking notes recorded)
    
    Moved to **Done (experiment)** on the project board.
    <!-- /epm:done -->

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